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Sonic = Tie-In?
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by teran01
# 10 months and 3 days ago
I saw that Sanguine made several updates to Sonic the Hedgehog games and gave it the Tie-In genre. In my opinion every Sonic cartoon series, books etc. came after the videogame and thus its not a Tie-In. Tie-In is a game based on other media and not a game that spawns other stuff. Or how is it meant to be handled?
by Sanguine
# 10 months and 3 days ago
I don't know which was first, but the oldest comic is from 1981 while the oldest sonic game is from 1982 in UVL. So I assumed the comic was first (which I've actually assumed for a long time), but I also assumed the order did not matter for the Tie-In status.

I did ask the question before, but apparently no-one answered to it...

Edit: Anything after the publication of the comics, cartoons and such should be marked as tie-in regardless, I think. So it would only matter to the games before that time, we can't honestly say if they ignored the comics and others or not after that point unless they explicitly state the source material.

Edit 2: Some games get released days, weeks or even months before the movie they're based on, so would they be non-Tie-In? I don't think so. Of course, we _know_ they're based on those movies (or created in tandem), so they're a bit different.
by dandyboh
# 10 months and 3 days ago
I tend to agree with Teran.

1981, 1982 ?? Well, no, the first Sonic game was Sonic the Hedgehog on the Genesis and was released in 1991 (June 23rd, I just updated the date). Don't know for the comics, but they came after the videogame.

Edit 2: Some games get released days, weeks or even months before the movie they're based on, so would they be non-Tie-In?


I think they would be Tie-in. Such games would have never existed without the movie (but the movie would have existed even without the videogame), no matter the order.
by teran01
# 10 months and 3 days ago
I always was of the opinion that sonic made its debut in the MegaDrive release from 1991 and was created after Sega realized that their mascot "Alex Kidd" didn't have a chance against Mario.
by Sanguine
# 10 months and 3 days ago
Uh oh, temporal dyslexia for me. Right...

Sonic the Comic, 1993 to something
Sonic the Hedgehog manga, 1992 to something
Archie Comics' Sonic... don't know.

So all started after the game (except I couldn't find any info on the older Archie comic). Not sure where I picked up the idea that the comics were first, but you're right, it was to replace Alex, which makes the game much more likely.

But this doesn't really tell us how we should handle the Tie-In attribute.

Reading at Wikipedia makes me think that everything else except the original work are Tie-In, so every Sonic game after the first are Tie-In.
by teran01
# 10 months and 3 days ago
Other Sonic games I would call sequels and not tie-in. Tie-In is something across different media types, isn't it? When a game comes out the same time as a movie (lets say Transformers this year) then the game I think would be a Tie-In, because its the typical "game based on a movie"... and even if there wouldn't be a movie then Transformers is based on the toyline which always makes them a Tie-In ^^


Excerpt from Wikipedia:

"The lineage of tie-in works can be quite convoluted. For example, a novelization might be done of a computer game, which was based on a television show, based on a movie, based on a comic book which was the original media property."

-> So in this case the "comic book" is the "original media property". And thus if the computer game was the first one its the "original media property" and thus not a Tie-In (e.g. Resident Evil, where the movies, comics etc. would be the "Tie-In")
by Sanguine
# 10 months and 3 days ago
Tie-In is something across different media types, isn't it?

I don't think it matters if the thing is on the same or different media as the original. A movie sequel on same media as the original (a movie) is Tie-In still as much as a board game based on the original or the sequel is. It just has the additional status of being a sequel.
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Goes a bit off-topic... or not.
I so much would like to have the tag hiearchy, or at least a mock-up of it, for this. In the sense of "Original Work::Foofoo".

Although we have part of this done with anime, movie, book, etc. but those work both ways (probably should be split into two). Would make the Tie-In attribute clearer in some cases, but would make games based on multiple sources quite confusing, especially if you can't state that they're Tie-In with another game. Otherwise they should be fine.

Incluenced by foogame relation does part of this job, it does not say that the game is in the same "world" as the original, in fact, it tells us nothing of what kind or to what extent the influence in question was. We have plenty of things that go beside this, like influenced, clone, remake, sequel/prequel and parallel, but none are really _just_ Tie-In.

This would actually fit well for games where there's no clear relation between the events and characters of one game and the next, even if we could point out that the events took place before, after or during the events of the other.
by Sanguine
# 9 months and 20 days ago
Similarly, is Mass Effect Tie-In because of this?

There was another game that did the same but I forgot what and I think I marked it as Tie-In. This seems to be getting more popular to release novels/books that are prequels or something to the games.

Stonekeep came with a short novel (bundled with the game), so is that Tie-In either? I can happily say it was "made into book", even though the book is sort of a prequel and doesn't tell the events of the game, but Tie-In i'm not so sure. I'd still mark it as such, though.
by teran01
# 9 months and 20 days ago
Similarly, is Mass Effect Tie-In because of this?

There was another game that did the same but I forgot what and I think I marked it as Tie-In. This seems to be getting more popular to release novels/books that are prequels or something to the games.

Stonekeep came with a short novel (bundled with the game), so is that Tie-In either? I can happily say it was "made into book", even though the book is sort of a prequel and doesn't tell the events of the game, but Tie-In i'm not so sure. I'd still mark it as such, though.


Both games are not a Tie-In. These books are clearly based on the game world. So the books would be Tie-In. Without the games the books would never have been made.
by Zerothis
# 9 months and 20 days ago
Of note, Tron preceded the movie.
by Sanguine
# 9 months and 20 days ago
Of note, Tron preceded the movie.

If the movie's based on that game, then it's missing the movie tag.
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